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We're delighted to have a global audience of over three hundred attendees registered today. Just a few housekeeping points before we get started. We'll take questions at the end of the presentation, please send them through at any time during the session on the go to open up panel. And we are recording webinar and we'll be sending it over to everyone later. But today's webinar will be starting with a 15 minute recorded presentation, then we'll be going live to the presenters to continue the conversation and take questions. So the video will start in just a moment. Thank you. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=5.0,70.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Hi, my name is Kara Van Malssen I'm Managing Director of Consulting at AVP. We help organizations establish strong digital asset and data management practices to support their mission and goals. We strongly believe in user centered thinking for every project that we do. And we brought that approach to an engagement with the National Geographic Society that we started in the summer of 2020 and continue to work on together. Today, I'm joined by Angela Sanders and Jorge Alvaranga from the National Geographic Society, and they're here to share their story. Angela, could you introduce yourself? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=70.0,103.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, thanks, Kara. Happy to be here today. I'm Angela Sanders, I'm the Vice President of Program Operations at the National Geographic Society. I joined NatGeo about 15 years ago and actually dove right into the deep end of asset management. I was fresh out of college and I came in to support one of our major explorers who had taken on a huge endeavor to fly a Cessna plane across Africa with two high resolution cameras attached to it. They were capturing a footprint of the landscape every 10 seconds, and he showed back up at headquarters with terabytes and terabytes full of images. You can imagine some of the content creators were a little blown away and he needed some major help to get things organized and prepped for magazine stories and television features. Fast forward 15 years, and I'm working in the world of operations now where digital asset management has been viewed as a critical component to successfully operating the organization. I would like to introduce my partner in crime, Jorge.\n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=103.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Hey, thank you, Angela. My name is Jorge Alvarenga. I am the Operations Manager for the Media Asset Management Team. I've been with the Society for about three years now. I started off with Society about 10 years ago, left and came back and I was a producer and a production manager, production manager for television. So I've always dealt with media assets in the asset management, but in a different capacity. Now, being on the back end and the receiving end of the media asset management, I'm getting a true sense of how important metadata and digital asset management really is when I never thought about it, when I was on the other side. So has come full circle for me and working with our content creators and working with our media management of bringing value to these to these assets. So it's a little bit about me. And what I like to do now is share a quick video of the history of Nat Geo and what we've been up to today. \n\n\n\nNarrator ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=167.0,230.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" On a cold winter night in Washington, D.C., National Geographic's 33 founders come together, bound by a belief that science and a heightened understanding of our world has the power to change it for the better. Together, they forge a new society. And it isn't long before explorers from far and wide join in. To share our discoveries, we create what would become one of the most recognizable publications in the world. The National Geographic magazine. The very first issue I sent to just 200 members, and from there  our society takes off. \n\n\n\nNarrator ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=230.0,280.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" In the 1950s and 60s, we championed Lewis and Mary Leakey search for humanity's origins and support, Jane Goodall's work on the National Park to study wild chimpanzees by living among them. The fascinating thing is that so many of the gestures used by the chimps are the same as us. \n\n\n\nNarrator ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=280.0,299.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Soon our explorers are reaching all corners of. And beyond, astronaut John Glenn carries our geographic flag into space in 1962 and a year later, Barry Bishop plans one on Everest when he and a team become the first Americans to reach the summit. As we celebrate our first century in 1988, we commence our second by striving to encourage a better stewardship of the. And can we learn anything fast enough to apply what we know to turn things in a positive direction? As our explorers lead by example, we begin arming new generations with knowledge and an appreciation for our planet through educational outreach around the world. With the world in a constant state of change, we make it our responsibility to explore and understand that change and share new findings as widely as possible. By 1995, our magazine goes international within a year. Our first website is created soon after National Geographic Channel's launch internationally and in the U.S.. Within a decade, we're reaching hundreds of millions of people across the globe and have now sponsored more than 13000 scientific research, conservation and exploration projects. It seems the vision of our three founders has been more than realized. \n\n\n\nNarrator ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=299.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" But that's no reason to rest. Being satisfied has never been part of our DNA. In 2015, we created National Geographic Partners. Now, our platform is unrivaled. And it's supporting our global nonprofit team as we award more grants, create more programs, launch initiatives, engage classrooms and develop the next generation of change makers at a time when the work of National Geographic has never been more important. Where do we go from here? \n\n\n\nNarrator ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=395.0,438.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Had our founders asked this question way back in 1888. The answer would have been the same as it is today. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=438.0,453.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" People-centered dam services look closely at the goals, needs and challenges and behaviors of all the users and stakeholders in order to drive decision making. So let's start a little bit about the National Geographic Society, the context, the mission, and who are those users and stakeholders and what are they trying to do? Angela, can you tell us a little bit about what the mission of the Society is and how does DAM serve this? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=453.0,478.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Sure. So our mission is to eliminate and protect the wonder of our world. And our method is to recruit and invest in the very best talent in the world. Those are explorers. We support their journeys as planetary leaders and we help tell their stories to our strategic audiences. And DAM is a really critical component in this work. It's the bridge between those explorers in the field working to create change and documenting their work to the Nat Geo best in class content makers and creators who tell the stories which illuminate the wonder of our world. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=478.0,515.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thanks. And Jorge, can you tell us a little bit more about both those explorers out in the field and then those content creators who are telling those stories? \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=515.0,526.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Sure. Yeah, we have a lot of stakeholders who are using digital asset management or digital assets from content creators to to just the asset gatherers. Right. And we have hundreds and hundreds of explorers every year that we fund scientists, researchers, educators, storytellers and conservationists just doing work from installing the highest weather station in Mount Everest, which we did a year and a half ago, to working on camera traps for studying anti poaching areas that are high. And that also which one that I thought it was really neat was just using Africa traditional African dressing for and bringing into the modern day fashion. So we have a big spectrum of stakeholders and users who who provide us with with a lot of these assets. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=526.0,587.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thanks and Angela, can you talk more about those content creators who are going to take those raw media that were created out in the field and create content out of them? Who are those people? What are they going to be creating? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=587.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, so we definitely want to be creating lots of really compelling content to distribute to our audiences. We have teams focused on some of the biggest social media platforms in the world, creating digital content for our websites, really amazing educational resources that are distributed to millions of teachers and students around the world. And then, of course, we have our media partners with, thru Disney, our National Geographic partners, and they all have different needs, different segments of our audiences and different approaches to creating the content that they're really known globally for. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=600.0,645.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thank you, so I'm imagining this world of enormous amounts of assets coming in every year, you've got hundreds of explorers in the field, a lot of stuff. You're serving a lot of people. What are some of the challenges that you face in building a DAM program to serve these diverse users and assets? Can you share some of those challenges? \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=645.0,668.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yes, some of those challenges in going off what Angela said earlier there's since there's a lot of different outlets that we that we use the web social short form video, emailing, et cetera, one of the different needs for different for different platforms and one of the huge challenges that we have is just the massive amounts of content that we see because we live in a digital age where it's just, you know, you can shoot a thousand photos or terabytes of footage in a matter of minutes and hours, et cetera. So just trying to figure out what do we need to keep, what do we want to keep and how can we make make use of those and bring value to those assets? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=668.0,713.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, we mentioned before a lot of the people that we're investing in and engaging with are not professional shooters. So we look at a lot of pictures of dirt and lichens and murky water. And frankly, we don't even know what we're looking at some of the time, which makes it really important to engage with our explorers with a really positive interaction so that we can give them the opportunity to tell us about these assets in their work. We acknowledge they are the experts in what they do, and they're generally pretty novice in the work that we do, which makes it really important for us to prep and package, select and apply the right metadata so that we can create value with this stuff and help get as many stories out there as possible through serving the content makers across the organization. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=713.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, it seems like you have a dual challenge of one deciding what is going to have the most value from these assets in the field, which you have such diversity. And then, two, how do you make that understandable and usable to the end user content creators that are going to do something with that? And thinking about that video we watched a few minutes ago. There's a lot of content in there. It's got a lot of different materials that you've brought together. And I can imagine that those clips or those individual pieces of media look very different to very different people like the explorer in the field who created it to the to the educator, to the person who's making something for Disney plus and broad consumer consumption where you can you can you talk a little bit more about that and how we might think about this different media from those various user perspectives. \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=770.0,827.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Sure. So let's take a look at a few scenes from the sizzle reel that we looked at earlier and look at it from a DAM perspective. And in this context, we'll see the different ways that users might describe the same type of content. \n\n\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=827.0,890.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" As you can see from our sizzle, the sizzle is a compilation of clips that came from hundreds of hours of video. As we engage, we're engaging with Jane back in 1965, which helped us get that very special moment that you saw there in our clip with a chimpanzee touching Jane's nose. And also two years ago, we were able to make a award winning film from footage that never seen the light of day. And if it hadn't been labeled, then nobody would have found it. So that's why it's very important for us to maintain the presentation and also add that metadata to to these clips into the video footages or any assets for that, for that matter. And again, another example is that's from 1965 and we're still having some of those same challenges today in the digital age where we want to add we have to add this metadata in order for us to find this this media and make it searchable and discoverable for many years to come to to bring value to this for audiences. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=890.0,953.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" I think that's a great point. And you never know who that audience is going to be down the road. And that's super important and thank you for sharing that example. \n\n\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=953.0,981.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Hello , so let's pick up right where we left off there and talk about those two challenges that we were touching on selection and description or metadata, and we'll talk about how we applied some people centered thinking to those issues. Let's start with selection. Angela, can you talk about where you were stuck on this topic when we started working on it together? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=981.0,1006.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yes, thanks so for sure when you think about selection. I really sort of take stock of what asset management looks like at our organization and it was important to think about prioritization is even a precursor to selection. So back back during the time where we funded Jame, that really cool video clip of Jane Goodall back in the 60s, we were funding 50ish projects a year. And fast forward to today. The past five or so years have seen we've seen an exponential increase in our investments. We are supporting seven to eight hundred explorers a year. And add on to that the diversification of our businesses, our media outlets, keeping pace with the media landscape today. We have a lot of content and a lot of users to serve for that content and then for selection. Jorge mentioned earlier that it's really clear that technology has made it easy to collect lots of content. So we have all these people out in the field, in the world, and they're all armed with great technology and cameras. And we're getting back a lot of things for a lot of things to put it precisely. So we want to make sure that we are approaching it the right way and the smart way. And we struggled with where to begin. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1006.0,1104.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, so that's kind of where where we started working with you all last year and to address that issue a little bit, we we kind of we approached this question, I guess the DAM team was really taking on nearly all the assets the explorers were delivering. There were no real limits on what they could submit. And everything was sort of treated equally in terms of ingest and cataloging. And these were large volumes and they were challenging to manage. And there weren't the resources were getting difficult to to find. So it felt like people were a little overwhelmed. And you weren't necessarily able to pick up some new areas of work which felt important. So what we wanted to do was engage with senior leadership across the society to understand what's important to them. So we really needed to know, like, is this the right approach? What should go in the DAM, what should not, what level of curation is needed? And so we facilitated a leadership needs workshop to gain a deeper understanding of their use cases and priorities. And in that workshop, we the goals were really twofold, to understand how media assets support the Society and enhance the mission of the Society and also then to be able to appropriately curate media assets to meet user's needs. So we brought together these different stakeholders from across the Society, representing all sorts of parts of the organization, from marketing and communications to education to partnerships. And so we we sort of asked them, OK, here is a bunch of assets or types of assets that the Society collects. So take a look at those. And what we want you to do is think about prioritization in this way. So we gave them these three tiers, the wall display and the basement box, and we sort of wanted them to add these things to these different categories and then assign some value criteria. Why are you putting it in that in that bucket? And so we did all this virtually on a virtual whiteboard. So I'm kind of showing you a screenshot now of what that looked like before so that each group we divided them into groups of four. They were cross-functional groups and they were given a board like this. And we asked them, OK, go ahead and move those things around and assign those value criteria to each one. Why are you putting it there? And so this is sort of a shot of what that looked like in action as they were working on it. And afterward we put together results and tried to see where do we have commonality from across these different stakeholders. And what was really clear was that people highly valued the selects, the edits, the really the best of the best and less value was applied or given to the originals, the both the volume, the raw material. And so the takeaways from from that experience were really clear. Selects have the most value. And the users didn't want to necessarily dig through hundreds and hundreds of images to find what they're looking for. They just want the best ones made readily available. And the other thing that was important about that was that the a big takeaway from that group was that selects don't mean just the image. It is not a value to them if it doesn't tell them how they can use it. So rights metadata was also critical to that. And so this was a fundamental shift to the way the DAM team was approaching things, where everything was kind of all all we're interested in all were kind of treated with the same type of curation. This kind of brought to light of the possibility of changing how things might be done. So I'm wondering if, Angela, can you talk about what was the impact of that workshop from your perspective? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1104.0,1338.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yes, for sure, it really gave us an amazing opportunity to rethink DAM operations from a user perspective, some of the takeaways that we immediately moved forward with implementing were  developing a new collection policy for our dam and documenting a selection criteria and process which has changed the way we've all agreed to work as a team helps with onboarding. It brings alignment and consistency to our approach across the team. We have begun conversations with our legal team to really look at the deliverables we expect from different investments according to the prioritization, so that we're making sure that we get back in from the field with the right amount and type and quantity of things so that we can manage that process better. And I'm going to let Jorge tell us a little bit more about probably what was the most important and quickest to implement action items as a result of that first workshop. \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1338.0,1404.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, thanks Angela. So the most important thing for us was being able to set up a prioritization plan for our teams, for my team to be able to say, OK, this is what needs to come in and this is what we need to be on the lookout for. We were able to use that information from the workshop to, again, realize what is going to bring the most value. And what we can ask from our content creators and explorers to submit to us because based on the feedback and this is what they're looking for and they're not looking for all this other stuff. So we were able to message that out quickly and build a plan of, OK, let's focus on this and move forward and not worry about the other stuff that's just going to be us wasting not wasting time, but just not spending the time or the resources where we really need to be. Another thing that came out of the workshop was we know that our signature programs are very much a very significant to our content creators. But we were able to realize that across the board, across slightly different departments, needed media assets with us not even thinking about it. For example, finance needs its travel museum media asset not just content creators, but different departments across society need media assets and then other things that we didn't realize that we kind of overlooked that have high value to people at the Society where headshots we weren't aware that were very valuable to everybody across the Society. So that was that was awesome that this workshop was able to bring to light. And then something that another part of it that we kind of overlooked and didn't really put too much attention on is just people in the field taking images of themselves, holding our Nat Geo flag. And it's in high demand. But we weren't aware of that. But now that's something that we can tell our content creators. We could tell our explorers, our submitters and say, hey, captured this type of content because this is what our end userrs are really looking for. And this is where you're going to get the most value and you're going to get the most eyeballs on it and have the potential to tell your story on a broader range of platforms to our end users. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1404.0,1538.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" That's great, thanks so so I really kind of changed what you were asking for from from the explorers, which is super interesting. So let's let's kind of flip to the other challenge where where that you guys were describing a little bit earlier. So around metadata, where were you stuck on that question? Angela, can you talk a little bit about that? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1538.0,1561.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, with metadata and our world, we were really focused on trying to better understand what metadata is critically important from a user perspective, and then how do we meet that need with really getting good high quality metadata in those areas? \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1561.0,1581.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, so that so that was another thing that we were kind of we worked on together and to explore this question, we did a similar thing to the first workshop where we engaged a cross-functional group of users. It was different people this time, but the same roles were represented. And we really wanted to understand how will users search, browse and discover assets in order to use them and what do they need to know to really effectively use them. And so to do this, we conducted another workshop. You could do this through one on one user testing, but we kind of did it in groups. And I'll show you a little bit about what we did. So in this workshop, we had three exercises that the users were asked to conduct. The first one, we gave them a group of assets that were these, as you can see on the screen, and ask them to work in small groups. We split them up into, again, cross-functional groups together and said, we want you to organize these assets, group them and give your groupings a label. And so this is sort of what it looks like when it started. I'm showing you the results of two of four of those groups. And so you can kind of see how they took the assets. They moved them into the little piles or clusters, and they put a small label next to it. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1581.0,1668.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Now, there were four of these groups all together. But what's interesting is when you start to see across the patterns that emerge and so I'm highlighting now, there were two very similar groupings here, and this was actually reflected in the other groups as well of a grouping of field work. And that that also reflects what we were just hearing about that field explorers in the field doing field work. The kind of action of being in the field was really important to them, and they're thinking about that. So and then the other is we're kind of seeing them group things around wildlife. And and so there's not one hundred percent overlap in the in the way that the two groups did this. But across four teams, across the total number of users we have in this case, which is around 14. There was a lot of consistency, even though they were, again, very diverse kinds of users. So so that was really interesting. This exercise helped shape our understanding of the end users mental model of the assets. How do they kind of think about and understand and want to explore assets? And so this this started this kind of gives a starting point for how to possibly think about grouping things in a DAM, creating themes, creating collections, et cetera. So so that was a really interesting takeaway from that one. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1668.0,1752.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" The next question that we asked them to to work on was how would you search for let's imagine you've seen these images before and you need to find them again. How are you going to go find them? And so we gave every participant the same four images. Now, in this case, they are working individually, not in groups. And we said, please put in up to five terms that you would use to try to find this asset in a dam. You can see the results here and there on the little notes. This is for two participants, again, out of 14. But even for those, you can start to see themes emerging. And so I think this one's really interesting on the image of the boy in the red poncho where two people were saying citizen science, you have to be a Nat Geo employee to put citizen science on that image. Right. So it really kind of shows you the way that these users think about this very specifically. Also that that's a student. I mean, how in the world would anyone else know that? But but they seem to say that these were kind of results that started to become a consistent across the different the different participants that we saw. And again, you saw this in the field, think this is really important to them. They're looking for they're attuned to it, so they want to search by it. Where are explorers in the field? We want those images. So so that was a super interesting one. It helps us understand how people might search and therefore we can kind of make sure that the DAM supports these type of search behaviors so that that was another exercise. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1752.0,1847.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" And then the last exercise. We have been working groups again. And we asked them once you found this image, say we alternate each group had the same image. You found this image in the DAM. What do you need to know in order to use it? And we got really consistent results from the four teams. This is a shot of one of them, but very similar results from the other groups who took this photo, who's in this photo? Where was this taken? What kind? What was the grant? What's she doing? What was the expedition's purpose? And then really important usage questions like what are the usage terms? Can I add a logo? Do we have a model release? Do we have the Explorer's permission to use this? For what purposes do we have to make any kind of payment? And so the result of this exercise was not as much about how is how are people going to search? But when they get there, what do they need to know? And so, you know, the takeaways from from these exercises that we did was, again, there was a great deal of excuse  me, overlapping consistency between all users in all three exercises, despite the different roles represented, their needs were similar. How will people want to navigate, browse and search is quite different from what they want to know once they find an image. So when you're thinking about metadata and tagging, you have to think about both of these needs and they're not aligned all the time. Going back to the first workshop where we had learned that users kind of didn't even want to know about us select if it didn't have rights information. But we got some clarity on that. They really don't want to see it if it doesn't have credit caption rights and they need to know if they need to pay for it. And so that kind of feeds back into that selection and curation process as well. And so I just say this is this what's important? And what's interesting is that we did get some consistent results. But if one of our groups was the explorers in the field, we would have gotten something very different. And so every group of users and every organization is unique. And the results of these workshops would have, you know, if we had worked with a different organization, work with a different set of users, they might not have been the same. So it's just important to understand all your different user groups so that the DAM will serve their unique needs. And going straight to them and getting their input is is a super important way to do that and not making assumptions about what those are. So I'll ask what has been the result of that particular workshop for the society? \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=1847.0,2011.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thanks, Kara. Yes, that particular workshop was really, really helpful and the results were really impactful on how we configured our system to meet the user needs, how we tweaked our cataloging and tagging practices again to meet the end user needs based off the workshop feedback. We have metadata required metadata fields that we know the end user is looking for. So we want to provide that. But in turn, that required metadata information. We provide that to, again, the submitter and the content creators say, hey, you want to get your content in front of the end users, t his is what you need to provide us with so we can do our job well. So your your content can be searchable, discoverable by the different end users. So it's really cater to to the end users and really important for us to have that information. And it's really. And honed in on, again, our end user and what they're looking for and take that take that extra step for them to be able to find their the media and then also every organization, captures content or metadata differently. So we are very Nat Geo- centric in the sense of our media is going to be for Nat Geo users, just for Nat Geo users. We're not a Getty or Pond 5 anything like that. We're we're trying to go worldwide and anybody can find our media. Nope, we are gathering metadata and content for our specific platforms, our specific users, so we can cater our system to that particular user. So we were able to get a lot of that information and put that information to use from those workshops to help facilitate the end users type of content what they want. And my team received a request of like, hey, where's that video? It's in the system. It's going to be easily searchable and it's easily discoverable because we were able to provide them exactly what they wanted based on their needs and feedback. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2011.0,2137.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" That's great. It's really exciting to hear. So what's next for the DAM program at NGS? What are you working on now? And Angela, anything to share? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2137.0,2151.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, we've got some really excited plans in the works that Kara and AVP helped us develop, we are actively working towards a front end experience launch to allow users to self serve. We're hoping to roll that out into summer, early fall. Up until now, access has been fairly limited to these assets. You really have to know what you're looking for and who to ask in order to get what you need. And we really think that there's added value in exposing more assets to more people. We're hoping that we're going to get more traction and value extract from the assets as a result of this. And we believe that exposing and promoting is going to give more people the opportunity to engage with and create with the content. And we are designing and considering the users at every decision point when creating this platform. And by the way, all of this is going to be great for our explorers as well. A lot of these people come to National Geographic and work with us in the hopes that the right people do get to see their work and they spend a lot of effort documenting their work and submitting those assets to us with the great hope that it'll be shared with our audiences. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2151.0,2238.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, and so we're going to be supporting that effort for the front end experience launch and applying the same kind of people-centered thinking and practices, engaging with the same types of users. But more directly, we want to know we've heard you. We got that feedback earlier on. Are we do we get it right? And so what we've already done is some pre launch feedback demos where we walk them through the site and kind of got their feedback. What do you like? What do you wish? And the results have been pretty great so far. So they're really, really excited. This is going to be a game changer for these users who are used to kind of knowing that they have to ask somebody and who to ask. So they're very, very excited. And as we get closer to launch later in the summer, we're going to be doing some moderated end user testing, making sure that search and discovery especially work really well, see if we got it right and that it's going to work for their needs. So so that's kind of that's forthcoming. What else are you working on? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2238.0,2304.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Well, assuming we have a good thing going, we're going to build on that success, we're really looking to on board new teams and new sort of micro DAMs that have been floating around the organization, joining forces with all the folks that have been collecting, creating, storing and managing assets and a decentralized, fragmented way with the hopes that the sum of each of these parts is going to be of greater value to the organization as a whole. We're also hoping to introduce purpose-build technology and some actual real asset management tools that people haven't had the ability to engage with to date in the hopes that we're going to create efficiencies in their own workflows and overall sort of effectiveness for the endeavor overall. If everything goes as planned we think that we'll probably double the size of our DAM with onboarding of at least two different teams our education content creators, our photography creative team and our video production team being sort of who we have in our crosshairs for prioritizing onboarding. And we're hoping that from a user perspective that once we get to where we want to go, that you're not going to have to go hunting and pecking and searching and and talking to a lot of different sort of administrators across the organization to find what you need in order to get your job done. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2304.0,2394.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, that's going to be super exciting and I think really a game changer and again, we're going to be helping through this process, bringing some people-centered, thinking and approaches. There's sort of two parts to the contributor onboarding. These are teams that have been managing their own assets for years and years and years. And they have huge collections that they've already they've got in various kind of repositories. So first, we need to engage closely with them to in order to migrate the existing assets and bring that into the dam. But then the second part of that is that this is going to be a big change to how they operate. So we really need to work closely with them in order to create new workflows that are going to serve their ongoing needs and not be disruptive, but actually improve the way things work today. So that's the goal for those for those new contributors and bringing those assets and those new users on, you know, as as kind of backend DAM users as well later this year or so. But I think just to kind of one of the last thoughts going back to earlier, much earlier, we were looking at the Jane Goodall clip and talking about, you know, how you've been able to create new value out of that all these years later. And so just kind of gets you thinking about the long term and where we are now and what's the long term. So I'm curious to hear a little bit about how you all are thinking about how to centralizing asset management affect things over time and over the long term. \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2394.0,2495.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, you're you're absolutely right, a lot of what we're focused on right now and what we've been talking about today has been about improving current state, what we're actively working on right now, which is to provide better value and better experience to the users and the explorers we're currently engaged with. But when we start to think longer term and out into the future, one kind of overlooked thing is that we're we're future proofing the risk of staff turnover and institutional knowledge loss. When people are managing their own things and they've got their own hard drives sitting underneath their desks or their own small project teams, a lot of that is at risk of being lost as we see people come and go. And we're setting ourselves up definitely better for a long term preservation of these assets, just like we saw with that Jane clip. Decades later, we were able to extract incredible value from that video footage that was then decades old at the time. And we really want to set up future generations to be able to do that same sort of work with the assets that we're handling and managing right now presently with our jobs. And another very real consideration that's on our minds every day right now is around COVID has changed how the world works. The Society invested over four million dollars and supporting over four hundred explorers to be out in the world telling the story of it and how it's impacting communities and places all over the globe. And we know that these these assets are valuable to our present day content makers and creators. And we also know that this moment in time and this capture of this moment in time is going to be critically important for generations to come and well into the future. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2495.0,2616.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, so important that you're capturing that now and making sure it's going to be that story's going to be able to be told in years because, yeah, it's going to be it's going to be a time to reflect on for sure. That's so great. Thank you. Thank you both for for sharing. I think we're pretty much at a point where we can go to Q\u0026A before we do that. I just kind of want to mention a couple of quick things. I want to invite you all to go visit the AVP blog. You can explore some of the thinking we've done around people and technology for DAM and including ways you can take those same exercises that I described and try it with your end users to learn more about their behaviors, their mental models, their expectations. And for all of you joining us today, I just want to offer that we're going to be doing a workshop for up to 20 people, sort of a train the trainers kind of workshop or train the user researcher's workshop in August. And we'll teach you how to conduct some of that same type of user research within the organization. So we'll have a sign up link at the end. You can find that on our blog, at blog.weareavp.com. But I'll show you that direct link actually right now and we'll go to Q\u0026A. So I'll turn it over to Jeanette, I think will be asking us some questions from the audience. So please feel free to type them in the chat.\n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2616.0,2702.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thank you so much. Excellent presentation. We've had lots of good feedback and we loved that video so well done. We have got some questions, so I'll dive straight in. The first one to Kara based on your experiences working with different organizations, what advice would you give organizations about how to prepare the engaging consultants to help with their DAM operations? \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2702.0,2728.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Oh, very interesting question, how to prepare for engaging with consultants. OK. I guess, first of all, what I would say is know where you might need some help, so have a really good sense of what you want to achieve and what the impact of that can do for your organization if you if you solve that problem. So when we're talking to prospective clients, we're looking for do they really know what they want to do and what the impact of doing that will be? Because if you don't, then you may have some work to do to kind of figure out like where do you where do you actually want to go from here and what would the results of that look like? So that would be one thing. The other thing really important is having somebody who's the champion of the engagement and and has the authority to carry out the the results of the work. It's it's not a great time to engage a consultant, if you are not ready, you don't have the resources and you don't have the the people who are committed to seeing through the results. So that's another thing that's super, super important that we also make sure we look for when we're potentially engaging with with a new client. So those are two things that I would start with. Of course, you don't need to know exactly what you're asking for. I mean, the other thing I would also say is. We take a lot of time to listen and understand the challenges that our clients are dealing with, but we may come back to you and say, you know what, that problem that you came to us with, that's important but your other you've actually got this bigger problem that's over here. So be ready to to kind of hear that we might have ideas that you didn't think of about where the issues might might actually lie. So I would just say keep an open mind to that kind of thing. \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2728.0,2854.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thank you. Another question someone is asked in terms of preservation, what kinds of digital preservation are linked to your DAM and how is that accomplished? \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2854.0,2870.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Or can you repeat the question for \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2870.0,2873.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" sure \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2873.0,2874.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" in terms of preservation, what kinds of digital preservation are linked to your dam and how is that accomplished? \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2874.0,2885.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" If I'm understanding correctly that just how we're storing everything and I mean we're we're in AWS because a lot of what we deal with is everything to do with this digital preservation. So everything for us is in the cloud and just paying for the space, I guess. And that's how we preserve everything and it gets backed up multiple times in the cloud, if I'm understanding that question correctly. \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2885.0,2913.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" And this is less technical, but we have a we have an amazing partnership with our library and archives team at National Geographic who are really tasked with the long term preservation of all assets, including digital ones. And so part of sort of the work that we're engaged with now is ensuring that we can effectively catalog and move things into the proper long term storage plan as well. \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2913.0,2948.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" OK. This one's for Angela. You mention the plan to add to the main DAM a series of mini DAMs. In my experience, these kinds of mini sub-group systems are closely guarded by those teams that operate them. In other words, a potentially difficult human change management issue. How are you planning to tackle that? \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2948.0,2974.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Slowly and carefully and with lots of carrots. I think that one of the most important things is to really show people the value in their own world by getting on board with a new thing that might not feel completely comfortable. And you're right. That's also our experience in some ways, they're giving up something that's working really well for them. And it's been important to show them what the greater good is by getting them to sort of change and participate in a new way. For the most part, our colleagues have been very open to the conversation. And I think with AVP we're building, we're building trust with them so that they can see the future and again, be assured that their needs are going to continue to be met and that ultimately this is good for will be good for them and the organization as a whole too. \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=2974.0,3038.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" I just want to add, it's it's building that trust, showing them that we're we're trying to do a good something good for the organization that will also benefit them. So. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3038.0,3050.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" If I can just add a little bit more, I think that the groups that are being on boarded are carefully selected to the ones that both have the greatest need, but also will have the most immediate benefit. And having those small wins and success stories can kind of help proliferate throughout the organization. And there's added value for them that's immediate. So it's not just kind of the long term, but I can think of like one of the first groups that we're going to be working with is primarily using Dropbox right now. And one of their frustrations is they don't have any metadata and like metadata is critical to them. So when we can show that the dam has a place that has metadata, there's a team that can support help them with with metadata creation, to some extent, that that just kind of helps with their work on the day to day basis a lot. And there's a lot less copying and moving into different Dropbox folders and moving around. If you can just send a link out to your user or whoever they need to share it with. I think that those teams are pretty excited about some of those benefits. So they'll be able to I think it's important to immediately see some benefit and not not only have that be kind of a delayed reaction or result. So I think I think we're working on that. \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3050.0,3132.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thank you. Someone has asked, can you say a little about the archival assets National Geographic holds and their digitization and access? \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3132.0,3146.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" We need another webinar for that topic. We're I mean, we're honestly not the team that is focused on that. We have an incredibly rich and long legacy and a treasure trove of archival assets, and we're hoping to be able to effectively contribute to that treasure trove with the work that we're doing now. But honestly, I don't know that Jorge I are in the best position to speak at a detail in a detailed way about how that works. \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3146.0,3183.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thank you. OK, the next one is kind of you describe in general the workflow followed by explorers, content creators, to have their materials ingested into the Society's DAM system, including any processing on the Society's end before content is made available to the end user. \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3183.0,3205.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, I can speak on that. So right now, very top level, what they do is they go into our grants portal, which is just a portal that specific to to our explorers. And we actually have it set up via Dropbox. We want in a Dropbox because we want to make sure that we are organizing it ahead of time. And then once the assets are in Dropbox, then we sync it up with our DAM and it's just a click of a button because it is digital. So it sinks in and we get a ping saying everything has been taken from Dropbox into into into our DAM system. So then from there we go in further curate, because again like Kara said that there is no metadata or not a lot of metadata and in the Dropbox. So then we will be working in our DAM and adding the metadata, whether it's batch metadata or just the specific metadata to that. And once we have all our required metadata and we made our selects, then we can make it public. And an example is if we get one hundred images, not all hundred images aren't great images, we will focus on maybe 10 percent. So we'll focus on 10, very select curated images and make that available for for the for the end users to see. And the other 90 are preserved with, you know, basic metadata and can be searched if we ever need them. But the cream of the crop is there for the and they don't have to go through all hundred images. \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3205.0,3299.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Jorge and team are doing an awesome job of further curating even the selects, so we're really trying to stay on top of what is most strategically important and what the users have told us is most valuable to them and serving up pretty highly curated packages of content aligned with what we were hearing back. That's part of the planned rollout for the front end user experience for those users who were hoping to self provide a self service opportunity in the future to. \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3299.0,3331.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" And I'm sorry, and that's just one way to get assets into into our DAM and then there's this hard drives when we get one hundred thousand photos, because that's what they decided to submit. And then that was always a challenge to go through all that media.\n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3331.0,3350.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Right, and someone else is asked, do the mini DAMs you were referring to get backed up to that overall archival cloud backup, or are they just full of assets that are difficult to access by the organization as a whole? \n\n\n\nAngela Sanders ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3350.0,3368.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Probably more of the latter, which is why we are actively trying to sniff them out and bring them back into the centralized effort. It is certainly a risk on many levels to have them all sort of operating independently of each other. And we strongly believe the best path forward is to have it securely and securely managed. \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3368.0,3395.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" So, no, they are not backed up. They are definitely scattered and like Angela says we are trying to centralize and gather everything. So it's definitely a challenge that we see. \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3395.0,3411.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thank you. And then to Angela and Jorge, what advice would you give other DAM teams when they are looking for consulting help based on her experience with AVP? \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3411.0,3425.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" I loved Kara's advice about how to prep for getting the most out of an engagement like that,  really know your pain points and where you want to focus. I mean, I think an endeavor like this is so multifaceted, you could go up in any number of directions and certainly more experienced help is always valuable in any direction that you might want to go. So really honing in on what would be best for you guys and then, you know, at National Geographic run kind of an RFP process where we do do a little bit of research, looking out into the industry and talking to folks and getting recommendations, sort of an interview process. I was actually not part of the project when AVP was selected and came on to consult, but couldn't be happier with how things have turned out, honestly, so far, they've been absolutely great. \n\n\n\nJorge Alvarenga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3425.0,3481.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, that's that's exactly what we did. We did the RFP process and just kind of sent that out and the consultants kind of came to us and then we narrowed it down and we interviewed them and they in turn interviewed us to see if that's something that they want to bring on to us. But definitely worth worth putting an RFP and interviewing different consultants, but completely pleased in our work with AVP. So. So I would go that route. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3481.0,3515.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thanks, guys. That's really nice. \n\n\n\nJeanette Camping ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3515.0,3519.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Well, we are out of time actually now, so thank you very much indeed. There are a few more questions that we have a chance to get to, but we will follow up offline with you all. Kara did you want something else before we finish.\n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3519.0,3533.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Yeah, sure, so, I just want to say thank you so much. Thank you, Angela. Thank you, Jorge. I really appreciate you joining us today. Thanks to all of your other colleagues at the Society who aren't here but we work very closely with them. So thanks for including us on your DAM journey. And it's been it's been a great experience so far. I think this this effort has come a really long way. And it's exciting to see where it's going from here. Thank you to Henry Stewart for the opportunity. And AVP is a Henry Stewart festival of DAM sponsor in September. So please connect with us there. And in the meantime, check out our blog at our website and sign up for the workshop where we can teach you how to do some of those same exercises and research that we did with National Geographic. And thank you all so much for attending. Thanks for being here today. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me, my emails on the screen and we'll hopefully get some of those unanswered questions fielded for you as well. \n\n\n\nKara Van Malssen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3533.0,3597.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thanks, everybody. \n\n\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243#t=3597.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://weareavp.aviaryplatform.com/collections/6/collection_resources/45281/file/118243/transcript/30251/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" Thank you. 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